SCOTLAND have dropped Finn Russell to the bench for Saturday’s final match of this Six Nations campaign against Ireland in Dublin, with Blair Kinghorn, who missed last weekend’s win over Italy for “personal reasons” named as starting stand-off.
The other change to the starting XV is in the second-row, where fit again Jonny Gray is selected ahead of Sam Skinner, who drops to the bench.
Meanwhile, Fraser Brown is preferred to Stuart McInally as hooker cover, Josh Bayliss replaces Magnus Bradbury as back-row replacement, Ben White is preferred to Ben Vellacott as back-up scrum-half, and Mark Bennett returns to the squad in place of Sione Tuipulotu.
Scotland (v Ireland at the Aviva Stadium on Saturday @ 4.45pm): S Hogg©; D Graham, C Harris, S Johnson, K Steyn; B Kinghorn, A Price; P Schoeman, G Turner, Z Fagerson, J Gray, G Gilchrist (VC), R Darge, H Watson, M Fagerson.
Replacements: F Brown, A Dell, W Nel, S Skinner, J Bayliss, B White, F Russell, M Bennett.
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The only reason Russell has been dropped is because he went out on the ‘lash’ in Edinburgh after rome. Hogg and price did also but returned to the team hotel after toonie phoned Hogg raging. Good on Russell I say… work hard play hard 🙂
61 comments thus far! I think Townsend did it as clickbait
Outside of Graham at 14, Price at 9, and Schoemann at 1, could we lay claim to have the better player at any other position? Outside of whatever we all think of selection, this is a pretty bloody good Irish team!
Better players? Yes.
Turner is the better Hooker. So that’s two of the three Front Row options.
I would select either of our Opensides ahead of Van Der Flier at Seven. Ritchie would normally be ahead at Six too. His injury was a severe blow.
On current form, any of our Locks has to be in the reckoning ahead of Henderson as well. He was awful against England. Pity Scott Cummings hasn’t been back fully fit.
Hogg’s poor form has made the Fullback debate easier than it should have been. Seen lots of Irish hype over Keenan, but he hasn’t really impressed at all this year. Then again, neither has Hogg.
I would start Chris Harris every day over Gary Ringrose. He’s supposed to be a generational talent at 13, capable of lightning quick attacks against any defender. Yet other than some laughably illegal and downright dangerous clear outs, against England he was utterly anonymous.
On current form I might be tempted to play Huw Jones ahead of either. He’s looking good at Quins right now because he’s getting regular game time. I wish Toonie had pulled him back for this match. He seems to love ripping that Irish midfield apart.
Versus Italy Russell was involved in the 1st , 3rd and 4th tries
He often gives the impression of being somewhere else but just as often then produces the goods – his languid style to some may seem lazy but frequently confuses the opposition He is the best we’ve got
Maybe he and the coach differ on game plans as he likes to play what’s in front of him , not always to a plan which ironically was exactly how Townsend used to play.
To put in his place a novice stand off and not even a proven stand off like Hastings is a strange decision
particularly against one of the top teams in the world .
Ireland will be licking their chops
Townsend indulging in blunderbuss selection. Why drop Skinner who was good against Italy? Why is Vellacott not even on the bench? Why not Bennett outside Kinghorn? At least a familiar face! Why Fraser Brown? What did McInally do wrong? Brown gives away more penalties. Hogg hasn’t been playing well and much as I like him Steyn doesn’t seem fast enough for a winger. Why not Kinghorn on the wing, with Steyn at outside centre, where he is good for Glasgow.
Bradbury looked good against Italy. Why drop him? Russell still good for Racing, why can’t Townsend get the same out of him for Scotland?
So many questions, and a lot of the answers seem to suggest that Townsend is grasping at straws, lacking a coherent game plan that the players can buy into, and losing the support of key players.
I can only see a hiding, but a good game will only serve to cover up significant problems.
I’ve never been much of a fan of Russell’s and so I would have been using this 6Nations to blood Hastings and young Ross Thompson for the RWC in France. I don’t see Kinghorn as a long term replacement. The other change I would make is to start Sam Skinner at six and put Darge on the bench to replace Watson on the 60. That would give us more heft in the back row, plus another line-out option. Apart from that, I would insist on kicking for territory exclusively with instructions to kick deep into touch even at the sacrifice of some distance.
There is the possibility of some good news in this selection and the attendant adverse result and that is the pressure there will be put upon the SRU to make a coaching change before the RWC.
Not a fan of Russell – only in f****g Scotland could we deride one of our few world class talents!
Are you unable to comment without foul-mouthed abuse?
Boab – I think you are missing the bigger picture with Russell. He can be of course be great and does have a lot of talent, but to be world class as you put it, you have to be consistent in almost every game, and he definitely isn’t. Most die hard Russell fans aren’t able to see that he is incredibly inconsistent and makes more mistakes than many of the best 10’s around.
Four supporters of abuse here. No surprise.
Why is Russell world class on a regular basis for his club, and a dud for Scotland? Yes he took the huff, but was deliberately shafted by Hogg and GT at that time. Russell has played in this tournament as if he would just rather be anywhere else. Serious poison there somewhere, maybe ask Dodson.
Surprised there isn’t a South African stand off on the books.
Kinghorn wouldn’t even get on the bench for any Irish province. And don’t look at the U20s to find the up and coming. They are inept and unable to beat anyone. Not one player showing basic competence. The future? Praying is the only thing left.
If Ireland don’t put 50 points on Scotland I would be amazed. The U20s? 60 plus looks feasible.
Prayer meeting at Murrayfield 9am Monday. All welcome.
Under 20s never change a losing team .
Especially at stand off . Wonder why ?
Someone commented Once your in you can’t get out .it’s true
Well there is one on the books…. Jaco.
Wonder if Vern fancies his old job back? Lambs to the slaughter.
Its a bit disappointing to see many putting the boot in to Kinghorn. We should be getting behind him. There has been a lot of negative comments about Russel so you cant have it both ways. I understand some surprise at the selection but lets hope its a success. If you watch Edinburgh much you will have seen him develop into the role and he had a cracking game against Connach. He is a deceptively fast and dangerous runner if he gets some space to operate and passes well. He’s not the finished article and I agree that place kicks will be interesting.
The other main surprise for me is that Skinner is not starting at 6. I think his extra physicality would be ideal against Ireland.
Ross I am not for one minute a Blair Kinghorn fan, although even I can see some merit in his athleticism on the wing or even at full back, where is deficiencies are better hidden. You cannot however make any reasoned argument for playing him at 10. To say he had a good game against the statistically most defensively inept team in the URC, who are the worst Irish Provence and who’s best players were away with Ireland isn’t really a reasoned argument.
Russell has been playing mainly behind a retreating pack with no attacking flair outside him, until Mark Bennett made a cameo appearance. If he doesn’t win the game under these circumstances he is dropped for Blair Kinghorn, not even Adam Hastings. You really couldn’t make it up.
Lets give him a chance- you are clearly not going to be convinced but the choice has been made and so we can only get behind him. The team is not going to change before Saturday. Blair and Townsend obviously see he has something and that has been building all season. It wasn’t just the Connacht game – he has had some other decent games and so lets see if he can produce at international level. Its a big ask but I hope if we lose it won’t all be blamed on him. We need to do well in other parts of the team not just stand-off.
Not a kinghorn fan either but genuinely hope he has the game of his life against the Irish. On the Townsend front if i was his employer I’d be telling him straight if your not challenging for the game with ten minutes to go pack your bags youve had enough chances .
If you watch Finn’s play for Racing and Scotland are totally different. It looks to me like he has freedom with Racing and is straight jacketed when playing for Scotland. I wonder if he has just had enough of Gregor’s gameplan which has changed from the fastest on the planet to kick, kick and kick again for territory. The whole team are starting to look like they don’t buy in to what the coaches want. And of course as we will trounce the Irish we don’t need the extra kicking points, hence no need for a kicker.
The team look confused, just as they did at the last world cup. Time the SRUC took the blinkers off and give Townsend and ultimatum. Get a grip or get out
I’m with you Ross, all we can do at this stage is cheer them on .. !
I’m als thinking that the amount of negative comment here indicates that at least we had moved to the stage where we all had some expectation of good performances, sadly mostly dashed this year …
Fully agree. BK has been very good for Edinburgh this year. The recent games when he was not available or sub’d saw Edinburgh’s fluidity disappear, his passing has been very good. His defence is no worse than the alternatives. With only 4 mins last week AH had no time to lead the line, but he still managed two missed tackles including on Italy’s last try. BK’s running threat is the best of the three, perhaps goal kicking is the most obvious weakness. If the pack can claim parity, we’ll be in with a chance, if they don’t then any of our 10s are going to have a tough day.
So a bit more positivity is in order.
Townsend’s lost the plot .what planet is he on ?
If and when this goes belly up he has to go.
What. Was the point of bringing Hastings on for 4minutes then dropping him completely.time we had Blair coaching Scotland
Blair is the man behind developing Kinghorn as a stand-off
A bit like giving Ben Velacott 4 minutes and then immediately dropping him. Not sure what Velacott has done to annoy GT either. I honestly thought that Blair K would get a shot at wing instead of Kyle but not as starting 10.
Ok so we are about to play our bogie team away from home and the best plan we come up with is to decide play Bambi on ice who’s horrendous passing is marginally better than his awful kicking. Call the nurses because Mr Townsend has well and truly lost it this time.
I’m surprised that Finn hasn’t told him to stick his jersey and incoherent tactics where the sun don’t shine and F’ed off back to Paris.
Speaks volumes about the player pool in scotland
Can’t help think that Toonie is simply reacting to a set of circumstances as opposed to having a coherent plan to deal with them…. Not what we should expect of our National Coach.
Must do better, and running out of opportunities to do so.
There is such a mishmash of comments above it is really hard to work out what the consensus is.
Russell does not look at all fit, he looks to be in fairly poor condition and this may be why he has been below par. That being the case making a change is the right thing. Like others I’m not sure what Hastings has done wrong but until he, Toony or someone else in the camp says we aren’t going to find out.
The best that we can do in the 6N is 3rd so I really don’t have any issue with trying out some other players or combinations.
It must be hugely frustrating for thos players who are in and out of the squad and only have a few minutes here or there. I trust that they are being informed why and what they have to do differently.
The extended Scotland Squad is probably the best group of players that we have had in 20 years but our team on the pitch is erratic at best. Wales always seem to find cohesion with their match day squad (who I rate behind ours) so I’d be interested in understanding what they do as an organisation that we don’t.
Better coaches?
I agree. We are way too negative about the squad at the moment. Why not try out something new? Finn is frankly overweight and for all his class is making too many basic errors. His concentration seems off. Hastings is a known quantity…BK might fail, but he has the talent to be something special so let’s see. I’m more concerned about the lack of midfield creativity and Steyn’s lack of pace. The only selection I’m disappointed in is losing Vellacott from the bench…I’d have liked to see him given a proper go
So we need every possible point and there is no kicker on the field – Kinghorn does not kick for Edinburgh. Kinghorn is totally unproven at 10. Did Finn once again tell Gregor his gameplan sucks? Hastings is doing well at Gloucester. The centres have shown zero creativity, so why oh why not give Bennett a shot. It looks like Gregor has lost the plot.
I’m new to this site but moved to comment by this decision. I can understand the desire to to drop Finn. He’s out of sorts. And there must be something going on between him and the coaching team that is impacting on his performance and motivation. And there must be something else going on with Hastings who , for me, would be the obvious replacement for Russell. Kinghorn is just wrong for the fly half position. He’s not much in the way of game management, little to no defence, not that great off the tee. And not that great in his usual positions of wing/FB.
This kind of erratic selection is almost as poor as our little friend Eddie down the road who tinkers to try and compensate for the lack of a game plan. Gregor’s inability to select and maintain a steady squad (injuries permitting) appears to be symptomatic of a coach who appears to have lost confidence in his own judgement and indeed his squad’s abilities to run a game. Johnson is in and out on a whim. Bennett the same (despite being one of the few to carve some holes open when he came on against France). Vellacott in and on for 5 minutes then dropped. These and all the rest of the machinations. It is a mess.
It just gets worse and worse. No place kicker at 10 going into a test match. Townsend should be removed in a strait jacket.
How many times has Finn steered us to victory v Ireland?
Am happy for him to be dropped. Am sure he’ll be able to console himself with some burgers afterwards.
Im not sure – could you clarify
Agree that Finn has been off this year but would have put Hastings in. Would also have dropped Z Fagerson, good scrummager but gives away far too many penalties. If we lose this one, Gregor should resign!
Based on form I’m not that surprised by the switch at 10, even if I don’t personally agree with it. We can never know what’s going on behind the scenes but for whatever reason Hastings now seems to be out of favour and there is one eye on the World Cup in giving Kinghorn this opportunity. As some other people on here have suggested, Finn is potentially just not executing the coaching gameplan, and even if that gameplan has limitations, nobody should keep their place in the team if they are doing that and also not living up to their very high personal standards as a player.
The other area I’m not personally sure about is the back row. Great to have two fetchers there in Darge and Watson, but I’d actually rather have Skinner in there to add a bit more bulk at 6 and another lineout option, to then have either Darge or Watson coming off the bench, but that’s just my opinion. We miss Jamie Ritchie there a lot. Would also personally start Nel up front and see if he can last around 40-50 minutes before bringing on Zander, but that’s mainly based on his high penalty count around the park this year.
I doubt we can beat such a strong Ireland team, I would just really like to see this team put together a more complete performance across the 80 minutes and do to Ireland what Wales seem to have been able to do to other teams this Six Nations (apart from Ireland!) and stay in the game. Irish nerves will maybe start to come into play if they are struggling on the scoreboard coming into the final quarter, or don’t have the bonus point. Maybe then the game starts to open up in a way that benefits our players? I know, I know, wishful thinking maybe, but there’s always hope.
If nothing else, a performance that shuts up Matt Williams and/or Shane Horgan/Rob Kearney would be nice…
Spot on with your comments Ian. Skinner at 6 with the combo of Watson and Darge over 80 minutes. Also agree bringing in Nel who is as good a scrummager as ZF. Doesnt carry as much but neither does he get penalised as much. ZF needs to warm the bench a bit perhaps to get the idea.
It’s obvously difficult to prove yourself with 5 minutes game time, unlucky for bench last week! Apart from that I can’t see where we’re going with this years 6 nations selection and team/squad additions. Maybe we’ll just stumble on a formula that suits, I’m sure the World Cup will show us how far we’ve come!
Good comment mace about not knowing where we are going this 6 Nations. A complete mystery. We hear a lot about the increased depth of the squad which I question especially when Townsend selects a FB/wing at No 10.
What I think is that we have quite a number of players of similar standard but with some positions like TH Prop where we are struggling to for resource. Nel is past his best and ZF has no one else challenging him for a starting place.
In defence of Finn Russell who I agree has been been off colour, he has no creativity at centre with Redpath injured, Hutchinson not given a chance and Huw Jones ignored. For all his defensive strength Harris offers little attacking threat (I know he scored 2 tries against Italy). The result is Russell tries to force the play by cutting out the centres to get the ball to the wing or Hogg.
Parallels with shooting the messenger? O
This has an air of desperation about it. Does someone feel cornered and resolved to go down all guns blazing?
Kinghorn CAN be a great attacking threat but he is equally adept at giving the ball away under no pressure. And he has not demonstrated once with Edinburgh that he is capable of controlling a game that the forwards are not totally dominating anyway.
(Indeed, I would say he usually fails to make the most of the platform the pack provide and, in my opinion, Vellacott and Bennett have been far more responsible for Edinburgh’s attacking threat this season.)
Along with the Watson/Darge selection, it looks to me like we are setting up to live off scraps and turnovers and rely on Price’s and Kinghorn’s attacking instincts in those situations.
I can’t rationalise this any other way and I think it is an extremely poor percentage tactic. Although, to be fair, maybe all the other possible tactics are at least as bad.
Finally, it usually takes a couple of seasons of sustained performance for a 10 to be picked for a competitive international. Kinghorn has single digit starts for Edinburgh at 10 which have mostly been pretty unspectacular (speaking as an Edinburgh season ticket holder). Why does this man seem to get such preferential selection treatment and what damage is being done to the development of Hastings and Thomson as a result?
Well, that’s not the team I would have chosen, but that’s quite often the case with Townsend and no-one asks me for very good reason. I can understand blooding Kinghorn at 10, but later in the match, though not only for the final 5 minutes. In saying that, I can’t understand why he’s the first choice starting replacement for Russell and can only wonder what Hastings has said. As for Gray coming back in, I hope he’s completely injury free, as he wasn’t at his best before the most recent injury.
I assume Hogg will be kicking for goal, as I’m not aware anyone else in the starting XV has done. He converted two tries against Ireland in the last meeting.
Putting Kinghorn in is definitely a bold move, although I would have preferred to see Hastings in at 10. I’ve never been a Finn Russell fan anyway, as Scotland are no better with him at 10. Yes – he can be great occasionally, but he is far too inconsistent, has a lot of poor games and is definitely not on form just now. Plus he’ll more than likely throw the dummy out of the pram now, as he has done before. No other tier 1 team would pick him as their 10. Finn is not the answer to Scotland’s problems, but unfortunately I don’t know what is. A win on Saturday would be great though.
Kinghorn has been playing well but (as someone else said) he’s had an electric Vellacott and an electric Bennett to help him. Price played very well last week and there’s a lot on his shoulders too.
I reckon GT damned if he does damned if he doesn’t- Finn has been poor so Kinghorn deserves a chance but why not play Bennett to profit from what Kinghorn will (at least) try to do.
It makes no sense to play an attacking 10 with 2 defensive centres.
Playing 2 7s (maybe Matt Fagarsons best position is 7 too) is bold (daft) but at least Kinghorn won’t kick away any turnover ball
My head hurts
Well I did not see that coming. Though Finn has been poor all 6N with only flashes of his old self. Not sure if that is because he feels Gregors game plan’s suck and cannot be bothered? or what. To drop Kinghorn in at 10 is a bit cruel in my mind but if it works he’s a hero if not we told you so Gregor. Not sure how Styen held his place he was poor against Italy and Ireland at home will be a tougher call. Good to see Bennett and Gray back.
With the RWC a year and a bit away I would have though that Gregor is going to need a lot of friendlies to blood new guys and he should have stopped believing the nonsense we were title contenders and blooded our new guys in this and next 6N but what do I know.
Don’t think there is enough time for blooding new players and giving enough time for a settled side to emerge and become familiar with each other (a settled side would be a first for this coach)
Not sure why the focus needs to be on a world cup which, let’s be honest, we have little to no chance of winning. Getting out the group will be an achievement but is that the goal ahead of a 6N championship. Rather we focused on this comp (where we think we might have an outside chance of winning) and forget about 18 months hence.
May as well just give them the points now
Don’t know where to start really, so many questions with this selection which has to be the main job of any international coach. Always want to support the guys but Townsend makes it very difficult to be positive far less work out that is actually going on. Why do we have to see a lottery week-to-week with players travelling to be part of a “squad” then either given 5 mins and then dropped or never get near the team at all? How does this affect the overall mentality? These sections scream of a camp that is in disarray, what was the gameplan last week? What is the gameplan this week given that Kinghorn is a very different player to Russell? This is a section that is quite simply a throw of the dice hoping something will happen. It all seems so unprofessional compared to a set-up like Ireland who play to an organised definitive gameplan.
Changing the 10 and dropping a man with a limited kicking game and very limited distribution skills into the hotseat v Ireland has to be, at the every least, a massive gamble. Kinghorn……a good club player. On the wing. I try to watch Edinburgh as much as possible but did anyone honestly think it was anything more than just a stop-gap experiment with him at 10? Did Townsend see his last international “cameo” at 10 and his attempts to distribute the ball?! Good luck to the guy but I would have thought that Ireland will be chuffed to bits to see Kinghorn at 10.
Finn hasn’t been great lately but look at what he has to work with, slow ball from underpowered forwards, limited creativity outside him, evidently there is no gamelan to speak of and there is a fullback who is apparently world-class but can’t pass in front of his team mates and then moans at them when they can’t take the pass. Usually absent in defence too. Yes, Finn’s decision-making has been bad but the harem-scarem approach stems from the top down in this team, from random personnel selections to instant decision making on the pitch.
The whole set-up from selection to player mentality needs a dose of professionalism and I fear that Ireland will show us how that translates to a performance on the pitch this weekend.
A dose of Stern Vern?
Who is kicking for goal?
Good point Kinghorn or Hoggy I assume.
Possibly a cunning plan in store for us. Maybe we will run everything, including the conversions……….:)
Hogg kicked two conversions against Ireland last year, so I presume it’ll be him.
The selection from Townsend has always been erratic. How can any of the players find form in amongst this relentless tinkering. In – out, shake it all about. We are 18 months from a RWC and it looks like we have absolutely no clue as to what our team should look like. Aside from a few inked in names (one less of them in this selection) we are all over the place.
A summer tour would have been very useful, though only if others had a say in who did and didn’t play.
Sorry Ian – I just can’t agree with you at all. If DTH wasn’t banned it would be near enough the same backline since the Autumn (Finn aside). The selection of forwards has also been pretty much the same barring injury swaps. So I’d argue Townsend has been very consistent for the last 6 months to a year, however it isn’t getting results unfortunately.
Not sure about endless tinkering – we are mainly talking about one position. The team has been relatively stable injuries aside. I think the only area where there is still some doubt is the centre pairing.
I feel Gregor is losing the plot. We all agree Finn has been below par but replace him with Blair Kinghorn and leave Adam Hastings out seems really odd. I hope and pray the lads turn up and play for 80 minutes, but I fear a complete stuffing is on the cards as Ireland want that bonus point. It’s going to be a long summer for our coaches.
Absolutely bonkers.
Saturday will be a thrashing of major proportions, 40+ for Ireland
I have very little faith left in Townsend at this stage
It’s a wonder he hasn’t selected his own son at 10 . He’s that out of touch with reality
Townsend has lost it .
Finn is the best 10 around . He’s probably told Townsend where to go .I know I would
Kinghorn is a very limited rugby player and should be nowhere near starting as a stand off for Scotland ..
Cricket score awaits
Agree that Finn has been off this year but would have put Hastings in. Would also have dropped Z Fagerson, good scrummager but gives away far too many penalties. If we lose this one, Gregor should resign!
Think Finn’s performance is not helped by the constant changing at 12. Having watched Kinghorn a lot this season his passing goes awry when under pressure so yet another tactical masterstroke from Townsend to start him against Ireland. The Irish back row will be licking their lips. On another note – gotta feel for Brabury – has played out of his skin for Edinburgh and dropped again.Time for Toonie to go
Think Finn’s performance is not helped by the constant changing at 12. Having watched Kinghorn a lot this season his passing goes awry when under pressure so yet another tactical masterstroke from Townsend to start him against Ireland. The Irish back row will be licking their lips. On another note – gotta feel for Brabury – has played out of his skin for Edinburgh and dropped again.Time for Toonie to go
I cant say i’m surprised to see this crazy selection by Townsend, yet again.
Absolutely bonkers this is. Starting a recently converted full back on his test level fly half debut in the white heat of Dublin against an Irish side going for a potential title. Kinghorn is in for one helluva baptism of fire, I almost feel sorry for him being thrown into this match it will do his confidence no good whatsoever. Russell might have been off form against Wales and France but on his day he is a world class game changer, Hastings has been very good when called upon by Scotland and is an actual fly-half by trade.
I never held out much hope for Scotland anyway but this is going to unravel spectacularly in Townsend’s face and he will deserve all the fall out and consternation that comes with it. Rant over
I cant say i’m surprised to see this crazy selection by Townsend, yet again.
Absolutely bonkers this is. Starting a recently converted full back on his test level fly half debut in the white heat of Dublin against an Irish side going for a potential title. Kinghorn is in for one helluva baptism of fire, I almost feel sorry for him being thrown into this match it will do his confidence no good whatsoever. Russell might have been off form against Wales and France but on his day he is a world class game changer, Hastings has been very good when called upon by Scotland and is an actual fly-half by trade.
I never held out much hope for Scotland anyway but this is going to unravel spectacularly in Townsend’s face and he will deserve all the fall out and consternation that comes with it. Rant over
He’s been rubbish right enough, but this is a massive call.
Townsend seems to have doubled down on it by bizarrely choosing King Blairhorn instead of Adam Hastings… So we now have an auxiliary full back/winger playing 10, and have ignored an in form Premiership stand off.
The Toonie tombola strikes again.
BK at 10 isn’t even the most mental selection there!
Exactly – time for Townsend to go.
I agree with benching Finn. His form has been poor and his body language suggests he is going through the motions. Time gmfir him to sharpen up his act.
What the flying f**k?!